Comments on: Bigotry at the heart of the Transgender Community in SecondLife http://trinity.fooroo.co.uk/2008/03/02/bigotry-at-the-heart-of-the-transgender-community-in-secondlife/ When Worlds Collide Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:12:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Tanya Erin Kuzara http://trinity.fooroo.co.uk/2008/03/02/bigotry-at-the-heart-of-the-transgender-community-in-secondlife/#comment-46 Tanya Erin Kuzara Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:01:42 +0000 http://trinity.fooroo.co.uk/2008/03/02/bigotry-at-the-heart-of-the-transgender-community-in-secondlife/#comment-46 Inclusiveness, Yay? I truly prefer the atmosphere of an inclusive group whose leaders don't suppose to have the monopoly on what TS Identity is supposed to be. And really, I'm quite tired of "Benjamin Transgenders" GET OFF IT! That guy was operating out of a position of ignorance and I would almost say a fetishistic approach of his own... and it sickens me when smart transgender people subscribe to his specific pathology of ignorance. Anyhow, I'll support a group that is more inclusive than exclusive any day as I'm really quite tired of people trying to put themselves above others because of personal preferences or lifestyle choices. Inclusiveness, Yay?

I truly prefer the atmosphere of an inclusive group whose leaders don’t
suppose to have the monopoly on what TS Identity is supposed to be.

And really, I’m quite tired of “Benjamin Transgenders”

GET OFF IT! That guy was operating out of a position of ignorance and I would almost say a fetishistic approach of his own… and it sickens me when smart transgender people subscribe to his specific pathology of ignorance.

Anyhow, I’ll support a group that is more inclusive than exclusive any day as I’m really quite tired of people trying to put themselves above others because of personal preferences or lifestyle choices.

]]> By: Androgyne Michinaga http://trinity.fooroo.co.uk/2008/03/02/bigotry-at-the-heart-of-the-transgender-community-in-secondlife/#comment-45 Androgyne Michinaga Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:14:51 +0000 http://trinity.fooroo.co.uk/2008/03/02/bigotry-at-the-heart-of-the-transgender-community-in-secondlife/#comment-45 I've posted this comment to Ashley's blog, but I just want to add that those are her own personal opinions. I am pretty pissed off with all of this division all round really, and I don't think that Ash's post was helpful. By the same token, I'm not particularly happy with a big frigging sign of 10 metres or more being floated over the TGL to shout to TRC members that you're there too. Talk about caught in the crossfire! I spent plenty on my land too dear, and you go sticking something as bad as an ad farm to overshadow my nice cottage that is also next door to TRC. A plague upon both your houses, to quote a bit of Shakespeare. I have my own issues on BDSM stuff, and broadly speaking I am not a fan. On this issue, I just leave people to get on with that theirselves. The Transgender Resource Centre recently drew a line on people being in slave poses, on leashes, doing the yes master/mistress thing in the TRC. That makes sense in the centre, as it is something that is threatening or offputting to others, and should be put to one side when people are in the support environment. On the child avatar thing, again it made sense to ask people to not use a child avatar in the centre. That was because people could be talking about adult matters, including sexual relationships, and someone in full child roleplay is not really appropriate at that time. Other than my personal distaste for dom/sub stuff, I think that people can do what they like in SL and RL, but should keep it out of support venues, and perhaps some other places. The same goes for kid avatars, but I don’t have any objection to child roleplay, particularly in child orientated places. I used a child AV for a short while when I first joined SL, because I thought that it would stop guys hitting on me and because I am a big kid and I like being silly. No harm in that, and for me I don’t want to go into full roleplay. However, I don’t really have a problem with those that do. If they have issues from their childhood and find that roleplay theraputic, then good luck to them. As for furries, people dress up in a fantasy creature suit, and it’s not really all that different from Mr or Mrs Couldn’t-Run-A-Mile being a guy with huge muscles or a woman being a leggy slender blonde. That’s fantasy and it doesn’t do any harm. In settings like the TRC, I don’t think that it’s disruptive, and I don’t have a problem with that. Lots of people spend hours playing violent video games, and I’ve even seen someone spend hours team-killing their colleagues for the kick of it. That’s a whole lot less constructive than somebody being a furry and socialising with other people on SL. For me, I’m fundamentally a libertarian, but there always has to be a line drawn as to where some things are appropriate. Analise I’ve posted this comment to Ashley’s blog, but I just want to add that those are her own personal opinions. I am pretty pissed off with all of this division all round really, and I don’t think that Ash’s post was helpful. By the same token, I’m not particularly happy with a big frigging sign of 10 metres or more being floated over the TGL to shout to TRC members that you’re there too. Talk about caught in the crossfire! I spent plenty on my land too dear, and you go sticking something as bad as an ad farm to overshadow my nice cottage that is also next door to TRC. A plague upon both your houses, to quote a bit of Shakespeare.

I have my own issues on BDSM stuff, and broadly speaking I am not a fan. On this issue, I just leave people to get on with that theirselves. The Transgender Resource Centre recently drew a line on people being in slave poses, on leashes, doing the yes master/mistress thing in the TRC. That makes sense in the centre, as it is something that is threatening or offputting to others, and should be put to one side when people are in the support environment.

On the child avatar thing, again it made sense to ask people to not use a child avatar in the centre. That was because people could be talking about adult matters, including sexual relationships, and someone in full child roleplay is not really appropriate at that time.

Other than my personal distaste for dom/sub stuff, I think that people can do what they like in SL and RL, but should keep it out of support venues, and perhaps some other places. The same goes for kid avatars, but I don’t have any objection to child roleplay, particularly in child orientated places. I used a child AV for a short while when I first joined SL, because I thought that it would stop guys hitting on me and because I am a big kid and I like being silly. No harm in that, and for me I don’t want to go into full roleplay. However, I don’t really have a problem with those that do. If they have issues from their childhood and find that roleplay theraputic, then good luck to them.

As for furries, people dress up in a fantasy creature suit, and it’s not really all that different from Mr or Mrs Couldn’t-Run-A-Mile being a guy with huge muscles or a woman being a leggy slender blonde. That’s fantasy and it doesn’t do any harm. In settings like the TRC, I don’t think that it’s disruptive, and I don’t have a problem with that. Lots of people spend hours playing violent video games, and I’ve even seen someone spend hours team-killing their colleagues for the kick of it. That’s a whole lot less constructive than somebody being a furry and socialising with other people on SL.

For me, I’m fundamentally a libertarian, but there always has to be a line drawn as to where some things are appropriate.

Analise

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